Noah Salibo

full interview

1st November. I’’m Hagir Elhadi from Thousand Dreams Project. Today I am going to interview Noah Slaibo from Sudan.

Noah, today we are going to talk about some issues in your life. Like how life is going since you came to Europe. I am going to ask you different questions. Some of them is personal questions and you don’t have to answer them if you don’t like. After this interview we have a form. We have a form you have to sign and fill because we have to have your consent to use your photo and your voice on the website and different media platforms. First of all I want you to spell your name because we have to write it in the correct spelling and if you wish to use another name like nickname,feel free just let me know when we finish this interview. Spell your name.
Oh. Ok, yeah. Ahhh ,yeah. My name is Noah Slaibo. Uh…yeah that is my name. Let me just ask a question… You mean like challenges been though? Challenges I have been through my journey through Africa to Europe?

Yeah I will ask you about the challenges the difficult things, the things you like about your journey.How your life is now and the past. First of all let me ask you, what kind of housing do you live in?
Hmm…let me just start from the day, you know, I left Sudan.

Yeah we will back to this question.
Literally. well I was living at Broadland Housing at 10 Auguston Street in Norwich. And yeah I moved a couple of weeks ago to London in student accommodation to start my Uni at Queen Mary University of London.

Can you describe the condition of your house or your flat?
You mean the flat I used to live in?

Yeah you used to live in it yeah.
Well I initially liked the place good neighbours and it’s close to the city a little bit small but anyway I choosed it so…and yeah it’s kind of quite central so most of my mates you know they come you know and just chill out and you know and yeah I can’t say that it’s too bad.

Ok, how do you spend your time here?
Well that is a good question. Ahhh.Well.When I left Norwich I literally knew no-one and so a couple of few months I was like so isolating like, you know, and was most of the time in my room and then you know. And also these English difficulties and you know, so I started to attend English classes and made a few friends and also found a few people from my native country of Sudan.  So and yeah. I start to learn the language and yeah and I made some few friends. You know some football, and you know like some social connections, you know.  Yeah. And then friend of mine we met our Director, Simon and he was doing a play about immigrant history, the history of immigration, or the history of foreigners in Norwich. And in that play I played the first black man born here in Norwich, his name Pablo.And as well as that I played a poem by a band, so sing a song about Brexit and it was fun so it was a door open to me so give me a chance to communicate with local people. Yeah and on top of that also I volunteered with a couple of organisations. And well at the beginning so they have programs called like Monty and Montag. So I was Monty. I was Monty yeah at that time on the and well, yeah, and my his name Sam and the two would become friends. And the contract of Monty and Montag is just finished. So that give me just to interact with local people. So yeah I’m doing some yeah I’m doing some some sports: Capoeira and also football is my mateso yeah, just yeah football. So and yeah. Also that’s led me to other people so I literally I like I feel like, after a year I feel like quite local to Norwich, you know. Also the play I been involved in, in Norwich through ‘Common Lot’ has let me know I love Norwich, which has made me appear local. Yeah from and then so start to well. There are a few, couple of places with ‘Common Lot’ and theatre company and RSC doing the play called Palm to Palm, which is the basically Romeo and Juliet’s history uh… yeah it was fascinating there a lot of good feedback and people enjoy it.

What are some of the things you do that bring you joy and happiness in your life?
Literally I consider myself an extrovert. So I’m like, you know, like to be with people. And theatre is like, you know, my window. So kind of because people tell stories, you know, and see the smile of peoples face. That is just kind of you know my hobby.  And… yeah, you know, well like from a personally….Like yeah that’s kind of of hobby, so I enjoy – a lot.  And also I enjoy like other things – playing games , you know. I enjoy that. Yeah as well yeah it is like from my personal life so kind of outgoing, meeting new people, you know, enjoy life, simple as that.

How is life since you arrived in Europe? Can you describe to me?
To describe this I need to give you a few background on how my life was in Sudan.  Ok. Ahh….Well in Sudan I was ordinary guy. So I was studying medicine.  I was in my third, second year in medicine. I got involved in politics.  So kind of you know and just put me in bad situation. I wasn’t planning to leave Sudan at any point  but you know and was talking to speaking out in university lead me to be considered, you know, unwanted people so the reason why I left. There’s a couple of reasons: The main one was speaking out. So my life became in danger so I left Sudan without finishing my course my training in medicine.It was urgent so I left to save my life and literally also to let you know my life’s…I literally like it. I’ve got my own business. I’m doing other business. I’m kind of good right now to stay but, you know, but because of the corruption and civilian war where I am originally from uh. So I need to speak out of that so and is corruption government of al-Bashir. So you know like uh from uh there is many thing to get rid of people from African background. And I feel that I need to leave. In Darfur, I was speaking out and after that speech, it leads to a demonstration. So uh that kind of my life in Sudan and then I have to… forced to leave the country. So it wasn’t easy.  It took a couple of weeks.A few weeks to cross you know like the biggest desert in Africa, you know, cross borders country to country without passport and yeah even that country had been unstable there is a war in that country as well so. And then the biggest part, you know, like when from Sudan I went to Chad, from Chad to Libya so.And when I went to Libya so like kind of it was a difficult year. So from Sudan to Chad wasn’t that difficult but from Chad to Libya was difficult. And I got there I saw three people on a truck. I was looking out at camel all the way like, you know, it took like ten days to get there. Ahhhh. And then I got a bit of money to get there looking after the camel. So yeah, it was difficult to stay in Libya because I’ve got no passport And you know the person who I was looking for this camel was looking to connect me with other people. So they were helping people to cross. They were doing business for people to cross the Aegean Sea. So yeah I crossed the Aegean Sea. It was like dangerous and there were more than ten people in the ship that die. So yeah, we crossed the border. Then we crossed the Aegean Sea to Italy. From Italy it was long journey without passport from train to train. It took me a couple of days to get to…France. When I got there I went to Paris. I go to Paris and all the people go to Calaiswhich is bordering France and England. It was was thousands of people there. So all the people tried to cross to England. So I said oh that means England is good. So I went across to England.Uh yeah. It took me like six months five months there it was hard time.  And yeah cold not enough food.you know.Police are around like you know, bumping, you know. It was just horrible. And yeah, finally I crossed the borders, come to UK and…yes my life start from there. So I forgot all the things I have done there. And the yeah, at the beginning I was lost but what I said to myself, you know, uh ,and the old difficulty, you know, like give me kind of resilience and ambition, you know, to follow up my dreams. And what I have learned from my journey is that, you know, I have learned that anyone of us has got unlimited resilience, you know, to achieve his ambition in life.So as human. And yeah, I like, you know, just for possibility and resilience give me the strength to carry on and, you know, get back to my mission. So so yeah. And also, wha, yeah, as I said earlier, ah, you know, went out with the local people, which you know like has like helped me in terms of language and stuff so…so and way to to reach my goal as well so that helped me as well, you know, to get where I am now. Like, I am not quite far from like, you know, what I want to be in the future, you know, kind of, yeah, in fact, it took like about five years or four and a half to get on the first step of my mission. And yeah and I feel a bit of…proud kind of,yeah, compared, you know, like yeah.

What is been good about being here?
Well, you know like… the freedom, You know. Ahhhh. Kind of… A lot of things is good, you know And you can tell that. Like you know, You know in Sudan I was so social,social  How do you say that? I am so commu, communicated you know like social you know with my neighbourhood.

Social person?
Yeah like sociable yeah, with my neighbourhood like you know. But here is you know a bit chilling down you know to like to certain point you know. Umm… and as well you know as from  

*Speaking foreign language* Yeah.
Do you understand?

Yeah I just want you to be free to say what you want to say and then I’ll, I’ll…
I am just tracking you and when you finished I just asking you if you don’t ask my question will repeat my question again. Don’t worry.

Don’t worry about that, yeah. What is been good? You say freedom what else?
Getting back. Get back to…to catch my dream to go to university and as well as you know like as from the other, initially leaving things you know, like you know.  Like either it’s the food, either it’s not, or the internet either it’s for this, you know, other things, yeah.

And what has been difficult? *Oof sound*
A lot of difficulties. Uh, yeah. It’s kind of… Firstly, because of the language. Adapting myself to the weather. Communicating with other people. And it’s took me so long to get back to my track. To get back, you know, to university.  And from other things you know because I left Sudan before I finished my degree, so I start from like beginning, starting  from beginning doing English,GCSE’s, access course…to get to the you know, university, which has been long. And I was doing same thing I have done before in the last couple of years. I thought: ‘Oh, it’s a bit boring’. But, you know, I had to. Yeah, so that was kind of difficulties as well.  And yeah, and as well you know like, as kind of sometimes being alone, the way other people look at you. You know?  ‘You are refugees!’ You know? Kind of, yeah. It’s just uncomfortable feeling.Yeah.

Can you describe how living here has made you feel?
Oh so many things to talk about that. Uh…Can again, your question? Sorry, I’ve just…lost i

Can you describe how living here has made you feel… about like. Or feeling, you living here far away from your family, far away from your…?
Yeah, I miss home a lot. I miss home a lot. You know sometimes I regretted, you know, to get involved in political situations.Err, as well you know, yeah complex feeling, you know. Like, in the terms of, you know, what I achieved, feel like was brilliant. I got a lot of contact. You know like from the theatre, from local people. Even people in, yeah government. And…and…love what I have learned a lot. Umm, I have learned a lot. And literally, like, you know I’ve got friends from all over the world, kind of, so which is you know… is just… I have kind of learned a lot about different cultures. About different point of views.Err… so I feel like I am learning. 

Ok. How does the feeling of not belonging here make you feel? Umm, some, some people feel when they came in their new country they ,maybe, some people they don’t accept their discrimination or ignore them or inside you that sometimes people they feel they not belong to the place. You can live in the place but in deep…
To be honest…

Yeah.
I feel local.

Oh.
Yeah. It’s true. You know? I don’t know like but I still…like, especially in Norwich, I feel like local.You know yeah. Like you know, well. I’ve still got a lot of love and miss to my home country but also I still like, you know, like in terms of knowledge, you know, I feel local. Like you know If bad thing happen to Norwich, you know, I literally like I feel sad. The same thing happen in my home country, you know, I feel sad. So uh. And like literally I’m in the Uni now. Literally that I live in accommodation with like, four, five different people. So we all from different countries, yeah from: America, South Korean, Singapore, Hong Kong and English from Pakistani background. But like, yeah me I actually feel like it’s more local home more than others. So you know. Yeah we still like all those together and then also being considered access to universities and to anything, you know. And being considered as home student does, you know, make us feel more home, you know, more local. Yeah.

Could you ever have imagined that you would be able to have this difficult situation? That because you told me before that you had long journey from Sudan to Chad from Chad to Libya. And you had a difficult situation and then you moved to Europe from the Mediterranean. And also you faced death in that situation and then you come to Italy, from Italy from France, come from France. And also you have to cross from Calais to UK. Err, how do you ever imaging that you can survive, you can…handed with that difficult situation?
Well, you literally you don’t know the things before you do it. So you know. And when you are in that situation you literally got pack up yourself to get out of the situation. It was tough. But I have been in tougher situations than this.Kind of, you know, when I was young I was in Darfur and there was war. I was like six year old kid. I was running from ten o’ clock in the morning, till next day around five o’clock the next morning. That was tougher than this. So literally, that was like you know, yeah it was tough. Serious situations than this. Literally I come from losing my life, you know? So… yeah. Less. As you listen it could be seen as very difficult but what I’ve been through before in my life has been tough. So, and all these serious, hard situations I’ve been through have kind of made my character. So you know. And like yeah. And it does make me kind of believe in that, seriously believe in that, we as humans, we’ve got unlimited resilience.You know, to do what we want.

Do you think you have developed any skills to adapt yourself or to handle the situation? Like, err, you come from… you are social person when you were in Sudan and came to Europe and you say for first time you found difficult to live without communicate with the local community. Do you have developed any skills or any ,err, things to…?
Well, yeah. Definitely. I have developed a lot and I have learned so much out of my journey. So there’s a lot of things I’ve learnt, you know. Yeah. You know. Communication skills and even some normal life things, you know. Even kind of new language, you know, kind of getting by,so. Yeah, like, yeah, I made other skills, like Capoeira, even acting, you know. I would never though I was going to be, like you know, an actor. Even though I was acting when I was school. But I received a good feedbacks acting. People say: “That’s goods!” Yeah, so…and the…and the things has opened me a lot of windows. A lot of doors, so a lot of doors. I jump from the window. So it opened me a lot of doors, so yeah. I’ve learned a lot.

You developed…
I’m still learning.

Yeah. You developed your talent in acting and as you say that… Yeah. Even cooking. How that is? Just describe that for me what you, what you did err, about your talent. Your acting talent . And what you did about the cooking. How it is helped you to…to find yourself in the local community.
Well, you know like the best thing to get people around, food. Food is the best thing to hostelise people, you know, from my point of view. So I literally, like kind of like cooking. Like you know.  But my skill in cooking has improved like far after I came here. So yeah. I have. Well, first time well, other stuff I cooked like noodles. Then I started volunteering, cooking like noodles. And you know. And as well like invite friends around to cook for them and literally love my food. And also it’s kind of way to you know to…like hostelise people by food. And as well you know to…to kind of explore then it’s culture food, so you know. They love them. So many haven’t experience these dishes. So, you know it’s our chance to let them experience these dishes of to like a lot of my friends and even the organisation. And the one of the like things I’ve acquired a lot of …through ‘Common Lot’ with them like kind of it start in Ramadan and the yeah there were a lot of people more than a hundred even the minors were there and all of the kids enjoying the food. And yeah in last July, you know, also through ‘Common Lot’ we were doing free meals for families on low income.  And also because of the Lockdown, the shutdown of the schools and some families was, you know, getting free meals from schools so through ‘Common Lot’ with them. Seventy meals a day for the families that you know, who, ahhh, to give like… to replace the part of. Ahhh, families who receiving free food and it’s not seem normal because the Coronavirus so we are doing the meal of that and each enjoys the food. So yeah, I remember there was a little girl and she throw me, you know, a change and she said thank you. She was…yeah, good make me feel so positive and I feel as I am useful person.Yeah. 

Uh. Ok. Actually, you answered my next question but I want to ask you again to be clearly that how has the Coronavirus affect your life?
Well, Coronavirus has been tough on anyone. And especially for me as I am socially person. I hate it. It was just so difficult. But on the other hand, I was doing some courses online. So I was doing interpreting online. I was doing English courses online. Which was you know, kept me a bit busy. Also with the university we were doing like kind of being trained so it give us confidence maintain top of things. And then, yeah, initially, also it has helped me before the lockdown, so we tend to play some games and stuff like that. But also it’s just been difficult not seeing people, you know, not working. I mean like not. Yeah. It’s kind of all been difficult being at home all the time. Yeah. It was difficult. And I don’t want to be in Lockdown anymore but that’s what we’re going to do. It’s to follow the guides, you know, to stop the spread of the Coronavirus.

How’s that affected your emotional feeling? Like your, um, personality and something like that?
Well, as I said it has just been difficult. You know? Yeah. I don’t know how to put that in words. Like you know. It’s just been like yeah kind of tuned into myself and which I don’t like it. And but yeah this is pandemic so it’s for all people. And there literally have been like tougher experience than this. So yeah.

Err, I want to go back to your past. Why did you leave your country?
I already done. I already said that.

Yeah, I know that you said that but I….err…I said to you that I want to back that question. Err. Yeah.
Ok.

Yeah.
So as I was said I have been involved in politics so like speaking out about the corruption. You know. I have been you know carry out for many years about you know. About the… the…the strategy of the government to rid of the Sudanese people from African background. So.. so there are things in Sudan…in Sudan…or in Sudan university there was like you know. And initially I wouldn’t have says things at my university. Literally I would go to…literally, like ,most of my speaking out part it was taking place in Sudan university sometime in Medani university.  But like, you know, ah yeah, to speak out it’s not like it’s only me in my family, you know. Like most of my family have been involved in that kind of that situation.  My oldest brother he was speaking out and he you know. And, and he, well, when he was young, he joined the army but he kind of….he was young. So he was sixteen or fifteen. And then he was…when he went to, you know like, to be in war in south Sudan. What he understood is that this kind of, you know like, problems they make, making soldiers from west of Sudan from Darfur to kill people in south Sudan and that’s makes like kind of jihad. So people from black background kill each other. So when he was a bit…bigger, you know, and when he was, like you know, in early twenties. And then…so he in club so he was get involved in that so…and, literally, he was kind of…well like he was responsible for headquarter so… and… you know like, so things went wrong and you know. And he also like you know, well, he was looked down our neighborhood was searching of him but well luckily you know, he escaped. And yeah, he escaped from there. He went to Qatari, which is in Sudan. And then he went to Libya and from Libya north get all the way around to go back to Darfur and, you know, to join up with his group, at that time. And also in 2010, or late of 2010 my second oldest brother also he was, you know, like involved in that kind of situation. He was well… there was called….a…a movement arms called SLA so they make a peace agreement and when they come to to the Capital and then well he was um and and he just kind of like, uh, from people that you know like talk at universities, and you know. And then when the government they didn’t keep their promise so ,uh, that movement army they had to go out so like to fight back again. And so like, you know, he also, they were arresting anyone who get involved with them. And also he led left Sudan.  And initially, when I got to university in two thousand…I got involved in 2013. So it’s kind of you know seems like, yeah. When I young, like initially first time I got in involved in this kind of thing, when I was in my first year of high school. And…well… kind of in Sudan, in school, before get to class you got have an hour, you know, where people come to say poetry, speaking, and you know like you know, say jokes, you know. And I one of the people you know like organise things. And I remember there was increase of transport fee. And I remember I opened the you know like this half an hour speech. I talked about the increase of the transport and I called for, for, for demo…you know for protest. For demo. Our school and other school we all do demonstration. It was the first time that I was get involved in these kind of things. Like, you know, small speech. My school is more than thousand of speakers, its bigger school. The other schools, you know like, you know is like four schools, you know, high schools and primary schools. So its more like around, you know, two thousand people on the streets. Because of a small speech. So it give me like, you know, kind of positive power. Positive, you know? So like, you know, I can do change. So you know, seems like, you know, it’s kind of, yeah, get involved in this kind of. You know. Yeah. 

What happened in that day that you have to decision to leave Sudan? What happened to you?
Well, I literally. Ahhh. Well, I told you I was involved in demonstration things.

Yeah.
So you think about arrested – in the demonstration. And, well, and the, so I feel like in danger.  Well, also after countless people were arrested but I escaped so I left the country. So I won’t be arrested again.Yeah.

How did that make you feel at that time?
Well, initially, when I left I didn’t tell anyone. No-one know where I am. Except my one of my cousin and my older brother. He was track where I am going, you know. And literally, all my family get know to when I got to Italy, I got to Europe. So yeah, there is no other people that know I’m there. So because literally, the government they have got hardly anywhere so.

Do you have experienced any, any bad event or any, umm, memorised events that through your journey that all the time you think about it?
Literally, I’ve just been in so many difficulties. So I.

That one you…I want tell us that one that all the time you think about it in your dreams, in your day life.
I can’t say one thing in particular but things just come and go. You understand me?

Yeah.
Yeah. Things come and go, you know. Yeah. I remember the day we were in the ship and there is a wave. You know. You know. That was one of the things. And also I have run, you know like, from….I have run from 10am till other day 5am in the morning. And also, you know, like, yeah like you know, all the scary part, you know, to escape out Sudan. And also, you know. Well we literally when we were crossing the sea…. when we were crossing the desert we ran out of water. So being near to three days not having water.Also kind of difficulties. Ahhh, also you know, like, when I was in Calais, you know, to cross the border. I literally have like just sunk to be under the wheel of car. So yeah. 

What do you feel when you think about that event of death? How do you feel?
I feel I’m lucky, you know. I feel like I’m lucky I’ve survived. I feel like I should have been died like years ago.

Could you ever imagine that you would have all that difficult things and…er…and you will be able to handle with that…er?
As I said it is just difficult, you know, to know till you get through the, you know, get through the difficulty. So Yeah.

Before leaved Sudan, what was your dreams when you were in Sudan?
My dreams quite big literally as I want to be a doctor.And I literally, like, you know like in some kind of my brain. I want to build in the future, build a hospital in the shape of Noah’s Ark and call it ‘Hospital Noah’s Ark’.And, literally, you know, I know Moses he is been…like when he is born he is beaten. I put in a reference line. And my name is Noah. According to…Noah is a prophet. You know. So that’s why I want to build a ship and put it in the river that Moses has been putting in, so. And so, yeah, to build a ship so and so. Make it as easy as possible so that anyone can access. So it’s kind of like, you know, helping people, you know, to be healthy. You know like, help people, poor people to get access to medicine. Because there are many people in my native country of Sudan that you know have got lack of accessibility to medicine. Many people, they just die from small disease.

What is your dream now? What is your dream now? My dream. Say ‘My Dream is…’
Literally, my dream is as same as I want to do when I was young. And I am following the…track now. So like, literally, I’ve spent five years to get to school. And I literally now in my first stage to get to my dream. Hopefully, one day I am going to get there and I believe I can. I believe possible, you know. You know as human we’ve got…I say we as human we got a resilience to help us to gain our ambition. And I feel now I am in the first step of my dream. And I will make that come true one day, hopefully.  Ah. What I was about to talk about…and… As I said my second older brother, he was involved, you know, in you know. Initially, he left the country to south Sudan and then,and he been there a couple of years and then he moved to Egypt.  And also like you know, well, he kind of, well he kind of, you know, get, kind of, you know, like injured in south Sudan. There wasn’t enough medicine so he moved to Egypt. And when he left Sudan he was, you know like, with his kids, like was there with three kids. The he went to Egypt, so my family sent his family to Egypt, so my older brother, you know, he might sent his family to Egypt, and he reunite with his family in Egypt. And…and then he was applying for, for refugee status in…well, you know, the United Nation office in Egypt he was applying there, and he got, you know, accepted to come in England. And then last year he, well, I think he died there because, you know like, he didn’t get enough. Well, he didn’t get proper medicine there. And his kids now they are so young the oldest of them is eleven years old. No the oldest is fourteen, thirteen years old, and just so young.And yeah, and he well been accepted there and, you know, he literally should be there like seventeen, eighteen. Well, like, he should be here like, you know. His middle son, eighteen, and he dies before he came a few days, a few weeks when he got here, and he just died there. And now like, you know like, my sister-in-laws have four kids, so they just cannot, you know, like, know, they …they just been stuck there. So and it’s also apply. And… and the ,well, it’s, I like I am trying from time to time to help them, but also I am a student I’m just getting on track my mission, it’s been hard. They like going through so so difficulties and this is one things making me weary all the time, you know. And I try to talk to Red Cross, you know, to, you know, to see there how there it is going. They should be able, you know, there is nothing they can do. So it has been so difficult and they just so young. Their mum she…well she left from high school so, you know. A single mum with four kids, in a foreign country. It has been so difficult for her. And…the also one of the, like you know, there it’s so difficult. I don’t know how to…but I am like I’m…trying trying. If there are any organisation or anyone can help to, you know,…to unite them here. To bring them to England, so like I, you know, I can take care of, you know, my nieces and nephew. That would be so appreciative. But I don’t how to get to there. And before I wrap up. So I’m like…

It is great dream for your family.
Yeah. yes. I don’t know what to say. Just difficult.

Yeah. Ok.
Ah.

What you have been though that seem really difficult. Do you feel think you have grown, in any way, as a result of this experience?
Well definitely. Yeah. I have learnt a lot. I’m learning. And yeah. And well, I’m like, I’m literally grown. So I’m like been now seen many difficulties from more than different angle to where I am standing and to respond to it. The same when I was, so yeah. I feel like more kind of, you know, like got bigger through background understanding as. Yeah. Share the feeling. And…and kind of, give advice, you know like to kind of. Yeah, I’m literally, I like, yeah like most of my mates here, studying people, who I met them here in Norwich. Yeah, sometimes, like I tend to give them advice. You know, to follow, so. Follow to get educate. So it’s kind of being sure. And before I wrap up I would like to give, uh, a message for United Nation for Europe and all the people who care about humanity. Well, you know, throughout there in the world there is so many corruptions. Dictatorial government and the people who in those country they are suffer a lot, suffer badly like you can imagine, and I am one of the people been through this. And I know there are people have been in tougher than me. And, you know, a lot, there’s a lot of people helping, you know, there’s a lot of organisations. There are a lot of people who care about humanity. About humanity. They are helping people. And there is a lot of people who don’t know, you know, they just feel….You know, they say that refugees just come to Europe or to developed country, you know, to take advantage. But it’s not always like that, you know. There are a lot of refugees make good and bad, you know, in those countries. For example, like you know, ah, Germany. Before, it introduces two million refugees, you know, like, you know ,literally. Like, it is considered that a lot of Germans are going to go down, and because also there is a big gap. You know like. There’s no young, you know, workers. So they invite refugees, you know, there literally is you know, the count of Germany, you know, is been stable. And as well, you know, like, kind of like, they are smaller than me those like. He was refugee, you know, and it is now from his low, you know. We are, you know like, make our life easier from all his low, like you know. Even though understand there is a lot of facility. We are now like, you know, can access. We won’t be able to access that. So like, a lot, because of the corruption happen in Germany, he flew to America, you know, and he, and he likes, you know, likes help all of the world, you know. And another thing is, most of people who has flown there because of the issue. Like they literally have got, you know, they even, they literally. I would say those people have got a different break from the other majorities. So they…possibly like know they different break, you know. If they found that they weren’t making impact out society, as our world, those people. To make big impact in our environment. And that’s kind of, you know, I would say that kind of true. You know like, you know. Other thing is, when I was young, a lot of my friend use to call me Guevara. And, well, that a long story…I feel this planet likes any countries, in this planet, it’s my country. And I got the right to do, you know like, to live, you know to, you know, to be, you know, to live on it. Yeah.

I really appreciate you answering all these questions. If there is anything that you would like to say or to want to add it that might help people in Europe to have, like, a better understand of refugees live here in Europe?
Well, one…one thing I can say. Or since I experience, you never going to know people before you…before you interact with them. So, the thing I want to say. Just be brave enough, take those steps and go get interact with those people. Literally, you will like understand more by yourself. You know? Don’t just sit back there and say: ‘Those people take advantage of our country’. And, you now like, you know, or like scared of them. They literally want to communicate with you. As you know, like. But most of them haven’t got the green light from you, you know, to get communicating with them. I understand there is, you know, difficulty of culture, you know, and the religion in some way, but, you know, but it literally was a lot to meet them and talk to them. And  listen to them. Yeah.

Thank you so much Noah. Thank you for answering my questions.
You are alright.

And I hope all your dreams come true.
Thank you.

Thank you.